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welcome to summer in the skies I'm your

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host Ryan spray so we had some technical

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difficulties this week and our interview

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completely vanished I tried everything I

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could to resolve the issue but sometimes

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you just have to accept the fate of the

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digital gods so in place of this week's

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interview I'm bringing you a very fun

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conversation I had with the guys over at

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the rewatch ability podcast rewatch

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focusing on the movies and TV shows of

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scrutiny sigh of today and I was honored

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to join them for the review of M night

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Shyamalan alien-themed 2002 film signs

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welcome to rewatch ability the podcast

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where we watch old movies and TV shows

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to see if they hold up over time

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my name is Blaine waters with me as

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always is Robert laronne and JM McNabb

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and this week on the podcast we have a

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special guest Ryan Sprague what's up

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guys I'm so honored to be here I've been

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listening to you for a while now so to

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actually have the table's turned and be

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the guest on a podcast nonetheless yours

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I'm a little nervous I must admit but

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we'll get through this and we'll get

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through signs as well the tables are

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another little perks like maybe coming

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up some back catalogue stuff yeah not

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catalogue Rob's been using them as

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furniture and toilet paper I got that

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from Mike Meyers brother and this week

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on the podcast like Ryan said we're

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gonna be talking about M night Shyamalan

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shaman shaman yeah I've done like three

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of his movies you can't pronounce his

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name yet director favorite person I just

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call him M because you feel like James

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third movie it's like it's fourth

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that the romantic comedies yeah well

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yeah didn't he write a Rosie O'Donnell

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movie or something first kid yeah

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yeah this is his first Earth's third

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directorial movie exactly yeah and like

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part of what's considered his oeuvre so

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it's signs with Mel Gibson and Joaquin

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Phoenix and aliens some kids

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yeah and some kids not just any kid you

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we should mention the tie and why we're

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doing this and why we're doing this with

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Ryan is because Ryan hosts a podcast on

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our network the antic Annette were

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called somewhere in the skies mm-hmm do

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you want to give us just like a quick

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summary of what your podcast is about

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Ryan yeah absolutely man so I have been

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you know interested in the UFO

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phenomenon ever since I was a kid I did

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have what I perceived to be a UFO

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sighting when I was 12 years old

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actually up near you guys this was off

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of Lake Ontario on the US huh

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yep I used to camp right on the border

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and I was fishing one night I look up

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and I see these three white lights in a

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triangular formation that red light in

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the middle just floating over the water

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completely silent it was terrifying I

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didn't know what the hell I was looking

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at I call for my dad to come out see

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what it is and he's watching a Yankees

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game inside so I couldn't really pull

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him away from that but he did eventually

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come out he did see the tail end of this

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thing as it floated towards you guys and

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I was right towards your house yeah yeah

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that fear kinda turned during obsession

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I started looking into the phenomenon

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ever since and that led to you know

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interviewing people about having seen

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UFOs in my hometown of Syracuse New York

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and sort of branching out from there

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AOL is big at the time chat rooms and

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message boards so I started going on

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there and the rest is sort of history I

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I heard about more and more sightings

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that people were having I started

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writing for magazines and that led to a

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book and then eventually the podcast

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which is where they you know the book

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ended and the journey continued in just

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you know hashing it out with people

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having a debate about what these UFOs

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could be you know are they alien are

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they top-secret military technology are

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they demonic I mean the and the

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possibilities are endless about what

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these things could be whatever they are

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they're unidentified we don't know what

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they are but that's that's not what the

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podcast is about I bring people on in

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every walk of life whether they're you

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an academic scientist a musician you

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know your local barista your coffee shop

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whatever I just want to hear what

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everyone thinks about this topic and

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what profound implications that could

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have if we did discover that you know

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maybe this was alien who knows so yeah

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that's what's somewhere in the skies is

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all about that's where that's intense

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have you interviewed any lapsed priests

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who flipped back again after a UFO

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encounter I've interviewed someone who

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actually became a priest after oh really

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so that was pretty interesting yeah this

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guy he claims that he was abducted by

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aliens

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all right and during his abduction

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experience he says that he saw a symbol

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by whatever these creatures were that

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abducted him and it was you know it was

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a fist or excuse me it was not a fish it

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was two hands clasp together or like

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praying and a lightning through it

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though he perceived this as oh I gotta

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Christianity was like a fist and a

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lightning bolt I might be a church right

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now we should probably get into newbee

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well that sounds great I think you're

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gonna bring a level of expertise to this

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stupid movie that we're gonna talk about

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yeah an intensity to usually just gags

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from us so let's go around and talk

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about the first time that we saw signs

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and maybe if we had anything with aliens

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or what we believe in yeah did you see

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the signs did it open up your mind

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you saw science I was gonna make a ace

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of base reference I'm sorry

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so I never saw the sign I never ever

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sighs you've never seen the signs no I I

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didn't see it no I you know I loved the

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first two I mean I loved sixth sense and

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unbreakable and I guess I might have

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mists I can't remember whether Mel

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maybe that was the reason not I mean

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but to give you a bit of context this

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movie came out in 2002 right Passion of

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the Christ came out in

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he said that Jews were responsible for

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just to give you a little right of a

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timeline for Mel Gibson it's possible

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because our like feelings have changed

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about him but I oh you mean since then

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not it's not like we're okay with him

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now because now daddy's home - no I know

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I saw the trailer for that and I like

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see like John let's go Will Ferrell

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they're just like keeping an eye on him

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so he doesn't say anything bad

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yeah actually like I've been doing some

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writing for another podcast and I spent

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the day researching the atrocities of

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Mel Gibson from God and then for God I

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was like okay time to distract myself

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with this week's podcast movie and

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that's a look at Mel Gibson for two yeah

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this more but for summer every weary

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attorneys yeah my roof outside my window

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I didn't see this movie and then like M

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night Shyamalan became ridiculous like

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his movie people just started to

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question whether or not he was a good

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director yeah so I didn't see this one

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and I sort of thought that maybe this

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was maybe on the precipice of him

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starting to become ridiculous or

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something so I never saw it was sort of

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interested in it but just never got

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around to it as to the other question I

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haven't personally had any experiences

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with the UFOs or anything like that my

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dad's really into a lot of the subject

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matter and I remember definitely having

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like old alien magazines lying around

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the house and spending a lot of time

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watching the skies and you know looking

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to see what lights were moving and and

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what sort of patterns so the subject

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matter I think is interesting to me as

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well I don't know whether I believe in

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all of and everybody's like story about

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encountering aliens you don't think

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Jodie Foster's dad is out there on a

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yeah my dad's on a planet somewhere I

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saw this movie in the theater yeah

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because I really likes em night at this

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time and I really like this movie at the

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time I remember not liking the ending

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because it felt like the twists had

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become such a proscribed component of

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his movies and I was so into it when

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they were just kind of barricading

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themselves in the basement which we'll

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get into obviously a great scene yeah so

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I feel like the end just kind of felt

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like like something that was tacked on

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out of some kind of need to fulfill the

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audience's expectations that there would

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be a twist but I remember really liking

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really the music especially stuck out

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for me the haunting music felt very

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twilight Sony so yeah I really like this

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movie as for the UFO question yeah I

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I've never had any experiences I I don't

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know that I would qualify myself as as a

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believer per se I do remember when I was

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a kid we had a book about UFOs in like

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our school library yeah how many when I

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was like seven or eight and I just

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thought everything and it was true

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because there's a book it was there to

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educate me and I didn't realize so much

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later that's like oh there's there's

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probably it was just one of those

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picture books they probably got it like

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the discount section of you know Kohl's

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or whatever but say yeah I've certainly

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always been drawn to stories of UFOs and

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and the paranormal even though I don't

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necessarily count myself among the

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believers what about you Blaine I you

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can be honest science here or not but

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you know I saw signs when I came out I

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loved it I loved I'm gonna show them in

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a lot and I'm still a emmalin apologist

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I think he's so great and and yeah okay

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yeah and I think he's a great writer and

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I think when he's given time to like

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come up with a good script he usually

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does and I love his direction especially

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in this movie so we'll talk about that

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but yeah I liked it I wanted my friends

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to watch it it made me want to

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watch all the rest of his movies

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unbreakable was so good that like I

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don't know I just I just like everything

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he does and as for the alien question

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you can be honest I I know I used to I

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used to be a person that definitely

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believed in that you lost your faith

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when I was and you guys are here to

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haunt me you've never talked about your

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wife's passing on the show before so

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yeah when I was a teenager I I mean I

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wanted to be an astronaut I loved I got

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all the books up for my grade school

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library on astronomy and they were all

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alien books beside them so I was like

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yes don't trust books I know that's the

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worst thing but yeah so I was obsessed

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with the aliens when I was a kid I

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watched every episode of x-files twice I

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watched the alien autopsy on Fox and

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convinced my friends on the schoolyard

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that like it was real I we were only

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wearing wristwatches because you know

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they had wristwatch technology in the

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government years before they release it

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exactly wrist watches oh yeah I know

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wrist watches have been around for a

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while I find that stuff all really

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intriguing now Ellison dear Ryan Europe

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sewed on the Andreasen incident and yeah

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it that stuff is still fascinating to me

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whether I was listening to that too yeah

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and whether whether there's any kind of

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like factual evidence for it or not I

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still like that the rumor is out there

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to make us think that you know there

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could be something more and I kind of

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like that so what about you Ryan

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when you first see science yeah so I

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just like you I did see this in theaters

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I tried to pull everyone I could think

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of to go see this friends family anyone

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I could possibly fit my baseball coach I

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just to go see this like Field of Dreams

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if someone did something else to the

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cornfield yes many people believe this

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is a sequel you like show it to your

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coach and you're like see I was supposed

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to hit that kid with the baseball bats

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away come on yeah I did see it in

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theaters and by the end of the movie I

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kind of had that same feeling of that

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tacked on ending or whatnot of oh okay

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this isn't really what I was expecting

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so yeah so but I did I did really enjoy

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the film for what it was for kind of the

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the theories that M night brought to it

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in terms of like the mythology behind

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you ufology

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you know the study of UFOs the decades

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and decades of research and do crop

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circles and UFOs and alien abductions

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they did their homework definitely for

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sure but we can definitely get into that

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yeah yeah we didn't even really talk

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about crop circles so much in our intro

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but yeah this is kind of like all coming

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from this sort of I guess some of them

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have been exposed as hoaxes the whole

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crop circle phenomenon way maybe you can

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illuminate what what is kind of the

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history of crop circles that he is kind

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of riffing on so I mean crop circles

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have been around first centuries at this

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point it's a very Eurocentric sort of

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thing

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they were seen all over england and like

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he said yeah a lot of them have been

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proven to be hoaxed by people who go out

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there at night and they use these wooden

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boards and attach them to their feet and

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their stump and the corn down and they

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do they get groups of 10 20 people to go

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and do this make these very intricate

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designs that take all night and precise

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measurements and there's a lot so fun

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can you imagine like just getting drunk

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and going out and doing this and then

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the next day people are saying oh my god

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aliens are invading it seems like a good

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time

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and it doesn't even really make sense

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like even in this movie where the crop

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circles are made by the aliens that

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should been the twist like oh no it was

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just the drunken neighbors with the

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aliens yeah because they say like oh

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they were using them as maps it's like

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well how did they master space travel

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but they don't have like GPS why is that

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the best method also just use an arrow

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you know I felt like the crop circles

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were supposed to be like where the

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spaceship landed and flattened the corn

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is that no no because they're not

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designs

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Oh in in history in history maybe yeah I

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mean yes once before the girl right

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before they got super yes bang she got

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into it it's like doing latte art for

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your tray you know yeah there's many

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theories on you know why why these

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things are showing up if they were

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aiming and you know is it a message if

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so what kind of message are they

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conveying with these super weird things

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like who's going to decipher this so I

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thought it was interesting in the movie

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how they it was a map that they used to

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look at from above as they're invading

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so I actually really enjoyed them nice

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take on that for sure or whether that's

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true to any actual theory Sun what it

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could be who knows and honestly like

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there's so many theories nobody really

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knows anyways so I enjoyed that aspect

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of it great well let's get into the

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movie that's do do a little bit of

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rundown rap okay so it sort of starts

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with mel gibson he wakes up hears a

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scream and he like you know his kids are

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like calling for him so he like wakes up

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his little brother Joaquin Phoenix and

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they go running out into the cornfield

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and he's realized that someone has

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flattened his corn and I that makes him

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really upset it takes a while to grow

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you know farming that corn oh yeah maybe

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it isn't his core I was confused about

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that because he's like a priest

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yeah there's no farmer in his family

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unless the little kids are farming I

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don't know they don't seem to go to

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school

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using it's a pretty big plot hole we

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don't know whose farm this is you know

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is this like yeah yeah maybe his wife

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was a corn farmer oh yeah it's really

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sexist of us not to assume that his wife

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could be a corn farmer my wife planted

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this corn before she died yeah but and

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anyway so it's like this weird like

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symbol and Mel Gibson I mean the

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character doesn't know what to think but

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you know we bet no guess it probably has

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his ideas he actually thinks it's like

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probably just some local kids or

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something like that so we like call

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somebody but then some other weird stuff

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starts happening like the dog pees on

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the floor he's pretty spooky and you

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know we get to sort of like see his like

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family a little bit we get like his kids

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there is a little miss sunshine and the

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youngest culkin little Culkin Rory I

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believe his name is hmm are they all did

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they all turn weird or is it just like

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they all have bands related bands but

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animals seem to be acting weird like at

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one point the dog like attacks like the

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kid and they have to like stab the dog

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yeah he stabs the dog the cult kicks

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down the dog yeah that's crazy

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there are they're weird kids yeah he's

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working his way up to battling home

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invaders micromachines

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so we filed a police report we get like

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the police officer I don't know the

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sheriff or whatever she's a great actor

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I've seen her in like a bunch of stuff

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she's the professor on transparency yeah

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why is she so familiar we're gonna put a

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black mirror - it's like a trucker

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cherry Jones I kinda didn't like her in

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this well it's hard because I'm not

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Shaolin man gets the most wooden

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performances from he's like hey what

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you're doing is acting and I don't like

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it stop it without any emotion yeah you

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know weird stilted way yeah exactly yeah

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maybe is it okay

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talk about now because it isn't weird

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how still and yeah like dry and airless

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everything is right yeah like I was

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watching my wife watch the beginning of

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it with me and you know seeing it now as

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parents like the scene where the kid has

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stabbed the dog yeah and Mel Gibson just

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kind of slowly walks over and stands

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there for several minutes like what

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happened he fell on us so we're like a

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parent would stab that dog again and

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again run over you hug your kid oh my

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god what happened

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holy [\h__\h] you stabbed a dog too mom to

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comfort you yeah everything seems very

510
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posed yeah and like again like the

511
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dialogue is like very like scripting

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like he fell on us yeah well and it's

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and other filmmakers do it to like largo

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slant the most sacred deer yeah it was a

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cool I kind of liked it yeah yeah and

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the lobster was was a big one yeah yeah

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he does like really still scenes and

518
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people don't emot-- all but like when

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they do they do and that's like they

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break and that's so lovely to watch it I

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kind of play for comedy I supposed to be

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funny

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yeah I don't think this is supposed to

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be funny at all no no yeah I don't know

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interesting yeah I mean this takes place

526
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in what Pennsylvania I believe it is 45

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miles outside of yeah Pittsburgh oh

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right exact location yes

529
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it's very rural town I wonder like is

530
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this a family who's so down on what's

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going on around them you got like the

532
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foul baseball player in joaquin phoenix

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you've got the felt priest as it were

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and these two kids who are just so naive

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at the time like they have no idea

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what's going on I feel like yeah the

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energy in the beginning of this movie is

538
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just non-existent and then as it

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progresses we'll get some pretty some

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pretty emotional scenes with Mel Gibson

541
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later on in the film but yeah it is very

542
00:23:45,370 --> 00:23:43,850
interesting how dull they seem like the

543
00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:45,380
colors kind of washed out of it too like

544
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:47,630
it's a pretty dull movie to start with

545
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:49,770
I'm glad that these crops

546
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:55,110
showed up Jesus glad that dog peed on

547
00:23:59,150 --> 00:23:57,690
the floor yeah add some code yeah I

548
00:24:00,860 --> 00:23:59,160
think as we'll find out

549
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:00,870
it all happened for a reason it was

550
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,170
meant to be but cheerio Jonah's kind of

551
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:05,760
the first person that comes in and gives

552
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:07,710
some comedy to it because she's saying

553
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:09,210
that like there are women high jumpers

554
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:13,020
they so weird yeah it's it's weird but

555
00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:15,450
it's meant to be weird I don't know yeah

556
00:24:19,670 --> 00:24:17,160
we should say Mel Gibson season alien

557
00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:19,680
outside of his window and runs out yeah

558
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:21,750
and he sing him yeah and then they're

559
00:24:33,410 --> 00:24:22,860
like this presumably because he thinks

560
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:33,420
he's some kind of minority yeah yeah

561
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:35,490
yeah she's like you know are you sure

562
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,740
that it was a man you saw could have

563
00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:39,600
been a woman yeah and then McKean

564
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:41,790
Phoenix is like it sure wasn't no woman

565
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:43,530
cuz I haven't seen a woman run like that

566
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:44,400
or something like that

567
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:46,770
yeah then she's like well I seen women

568
00:24:53,030 --> 00:24:49,650
Olympians and they got them Swedish high

569
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:53,040
jumpers yeah I but you know what I kind

570
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:54,090
of like that for her character because

571
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:55,500
she's a small-town cop that's probably

572
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,210
had to talk about what woman can do for

573
00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:59,700
the longest time I don't know I like it

574
00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:01,980
but I feel like if it she was a real

575
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:03,300
person she'd be like well I can run

576
00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:06,570
pretty fast I'm a police officer saw the

577
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:08,070
Olympics once and there were women

578
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,580
honest yeah it's strange it's really

579
00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:13,500
weird and then walking kind of calls her

580
00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:15,150
out for it he's like yeah can we get

581
00:25:19,220 --> 00:25:16,500
past this to talk about what really

582
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:19,230
happened I did read that one of the

583
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:21,690
original designs for the aliens was

584
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:24,450
going to be like this - yeah it's gonna

585
00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:32,860
[Laughter]

586
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:35,790
no it's gonna be like this more feminine

587
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:39,210
physique maybe to play with the idea

588
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:41,670
that it's all a metaphor for a Mel

589
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:43,980
Gibson's haunted you know being haunted

590
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:47,460
by his dead wife almost like a but also

591
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:50,130
that would make that scene make a little

592
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:52,740
more sense if it was kind of could it

593
00:25:57,530 --> 00:25:55,170
could have been construed as as possibly

594
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:57,540
a female right but they're not really

595
00:26:02,060 --> 00:25:59,460
guys like 6 feet tall and it's on the

596
00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:02,070
roof yeah you got any ran anywhere like

597
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:08,970
all the time yeah you could do in

598
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:12,450
Jurassic world so anything's possible

599
00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:14,860
okay we're gonna be back with Ryan

600
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:16,120
Sprague in one second talking about

601
00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:19,140
maybe what actual aliens might look like

602
00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:21,550
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603
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615
00:26:57,660 --> 00:26:55,420
Sprague from somewhere in this guy's

616
00:27:00,240 --> 00:26:57,670
podcast so we've talked a lot about what

617
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:00,250
the alien looked like in this movie what

618
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:02,440
what's kind of the theories behind or

619
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:03,880
what people see in an abductions and

620
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:20,050
stuff in your experience right yeah so I

621
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:23,380
mean it really runs the gamut here guys

622
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:25,450
I mean I've heard everything from these

623
00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:28,690
prototypical graves these small you know

624
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:31,300
skinny very androgynous creatures with

625
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:33,490
the big black eyes we know it it's so

626
00:27:38,010 --> 00:27:36,250
big in pop culture that's the main one

627
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:38,020
that I've come across and they seem to

628
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:40,750
be like drone like almost that they

629
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:42,760
don't have any emotion they're just sort

630
00:27:58,770 --> 00:27:45,940
of acting very robotically I'm sure

631
00:28:02,040 --> 00:27:58,780
they're not in an image it's fine Donald

632
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:02,050
Duck yeah Donald the duck he never wears

633
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:03,940
pants it's just Donald Duck there's no

634
00:28:10,919 --> 00:28:09,280
though he's names doc thanks cuz your

635
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:10,929
mom bought you some weird off-brand

636
00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:13,450
Disney products well they couldn't say

637
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:14,860
Donald Duck

638
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:17,740
yeah and Neptune the dog it's fine yeah

639
00:28:22,289 --> 00:28:21,100
sorry so so we have like the greys I

640
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:22,299
know they're kind of like the tall green

641
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,809
guys - would that kind of halt

642
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:27,760
reptilians yeah these lizard like

643
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:30,010
creatures well those are just our

644
00:28:34,049 --> 00:28:32,289
overlords that control the government

645
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:34,059
right they have a human mask on when are

646
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:35,289
they gonna do something about Donald

647
00:28:59,759 --> 00:28:57,810
another one and then these it's funny

648
00:29:01,710 --> 00:28:59,769
you mentioned the the sort of Swedish

649
00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:01,720
tall thing that's another big one in

650
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:04,590
Alien mythology are these Nordic like

651
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:08,049
tall blond blue-eyed humanoid-looking

652
00:29:13,379 --> 00:29:10,840
things that are often reported in an

653
00:29:15,629 --> 00:29:13,389
abduction experiences overseeing what

654
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:15,639
these little gray aliens are doing to

655
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:18,399
the humans so it's fascinating

656
00:29:21,779 --> 00:29:20,110
they're completely interesting thing

657
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:21,789
yeah yeah they're all working together

658
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:24,220
this Galactic Federation I didn't know

659
00:29:34,889 --> 00:29:33,039
that white supremacy was like wow so at

660
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:34,899
this point like they've started it's not

661
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:36,760
just happening to them in the movie like

662
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:38,289
they've started there's been other

663
00:29:43,379 --> 00:29:41,380
occurrences that they see on TV like I

664
00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:43,389
think at this point there's like a whole

665
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:45,940
bunch of ships over Mexico City oh yeah

666
00:29:49,019 --> 00:29:47,590
they're just sort of like floating there

667
00:30:00,419 --> 00:29:49,029
yeah they can't get into the States

668
00:30:01,529 --> 00:30:00,429
because of that wall man yeah we also

669
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:01,539
they're like a bunch of stuff about like

670
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,370
the characters too like Joaquin Phoenix

671
00:30:09,389 --> 00:30:06,059
character used to be a baseball player

672
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:09,399
another weird scene they all go into

673
00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:12,220
town and they all kind of split off and

674
00:30:16,289 --> 00:30:14,679
these things it's such a weird scene

675
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:16,299
it's like the scene with Joaquin

676
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,750
Phoenix's and they army guys recruiter

677
00:30:24,659 --> 00:30:22,240
yeah he's considering joining the army

678
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:24,669
to fight the aliens I don't know why

679
00:30:29,289 --> 00:30:27,080
this is coming up now

680
00:30:32,169 --> 00:30:29,299
I'd say the army guys one of those weird

681
00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:32,179
things were is like hey don't I know you

682
00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:33,620
from somewhere and then a minute later

683
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:36,140
it was like hey you're Merrill whatever

684
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:37,700
it's like I saw you do this and then he

685
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:39,289
knows all the statistics it's like wow

686
00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:41,570
you really jumped from not knowing him

687
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:43,309
at all to knowing everything about him

688
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:47,690
yeah that he like sucks it at swinging

689
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,730
like but also it's like the weird

690
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,320
dialogue cuz he says something like hey

691
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:56,240
why aren't you like in a bed full of

692
00:31:01,180 --> 00:30:58,370
money with women licking your toes

693
00:31:03,879 --> 00:31:01,190
oh man who spends a thing and weirdly

694
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:03,889
delivered because this actor is taking

695
00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:07,610
like such delicacy with every line is so

696
00:31:13,210 --> 00:31:10,190
weird is like you know you is such a

697
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:13,220
weird delivery yeah if the reveal had

698
00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:15,590
been that that was an alien who killed

699
00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:18,679
the real I would not have been surprised

700
00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:21,139
yeah sitting in Ikea furniture and then

701
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:23,990
if the scene wasn't weird enough a guy

702
00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:25,850
that we hadn't seen in the seen prior

703
00:31:31,539 --> 00:31:28,190
played by Michael Showalter for some

704
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:31,549
reason he's a terrible baseball player

705
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:34,460
he swung at every pitch and then Joaquin

706
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,529
Phoenix says fell wrong not to swing

707
00:31:40,299 --> 00:31:38,480
which point I said then you do not

708
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:40,309
understand baseball that's not how

709
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:45,470
baseball works it's literally not how

710
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:48,169
the game is played a racecar driver felt

711
00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:49,809
wrong not to crash like you don't know

712
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:52,820
the whole thing sports like a hockey

713
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,260
player being like I don't want to use a

714
00:32:00,129 --> 00:31:57,200
stick it's a metaphor for life or

715
00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:00,139
something this was like the most the

716
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:02,929
meanest way to give exposition to a

717
00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:05,330
character ever I hated learning about

718
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:06,980
these characters because it was always

719
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:09,769
delivered in this really odd stilted way

720
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:12,200
yeah let's get the guy from Stella to

721
00:32:16,899 --> 00:32:14,570
shit-talk Joaquin Phoenix person I could

722
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:16,909
I could like I was like that can't be

723
00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:18,769
him it's so it must be like to someone

724
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:19,940
who looks like him because it's such a

725
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:22,370
bit role in this weird movie like it's

726
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:24,169
not anything up his alley he's never

727
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:26,120
done another movie like this I don't

728
00:32:29,769 --> 00:32:27,830
think so yeah it's so weird

729
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:29,779
and the next thing weird thing that

730
00:32:34,029 --> 00:32:31,250
happens after that is because they're

731
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:34,039
all in town and they see M night

732
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:40,380
car with some groceries and then they're

733
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:45,940
like is that him making this terrible

734
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,830
movie it feels like a scene from like

735
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:50,080
you know like a freaky sixties

736
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:51,970
postmodern play where all everyone

737
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,570
realizes they're in a movie yeah is that

738
00:33:00,570 --> 00:32:58,720
our author within like what we find out

739
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:00,580
eventually is it's not just like a cameo

740
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:02,950
like a Hitchcockian cameo where he like

741
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:04,780
you know shows up holding groceries and

742
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:06,010
then we're never gonna see him again or

743
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:07,390
they can unbreakable when he's like a

744
00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:09,610
doctor or like a in sixth sense yeah

745
00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:13,060
like Mel Gibson's big thing is that he

746
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:15,160
lost his faith when his wife died she

747
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:17,140
died in this terrible car accident and

748
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:18,970
we later find out and we don't know how

749
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:21,550
terrible it is yet oh so terrible at

750
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:22,870
night shame like credit he definitely

751
00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:24,940
like ramps it up and like feeds us the

752
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:26,560
information a little bit looks so great

753
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:28,990
but we find out that M night Shyamalan

754
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:31,840
is the guy who killed his wife well he

755
00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:36,690
needed to start the story somehow yeah

756
00:33:41,730 --> 00:33:39,670
someone's wife and he said it's all

757
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:41,740
happening for a reason I want to put in

758
00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:47,360
[Laughter]

759
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:50,200
it is weird it's really weird and I

760
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:52,990
learned recently that uh M night

761
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:55,180
actually didn't tell Mel Gibson that he

762
00:34:01,410 --> 00:33:56,650
was going to be playing that role until

763
00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:01,420
moments before that started filming you

764
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:03,700
can't get me like he at home or somebody

765
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:06,760
it doesn't feel like these first like

766
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:09,310
this first run of movies that he had he

767
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:11,290
was almost just like making movies to

768
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:14,230
Trojan horse his acting career in a way

769
00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:16,330
like he's just building up a real for

770
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,070
himself and accidentally making hit

771
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:22,800
yeah at least let's just alone did it in

772
00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:25,270
earnest you're like alright yeah I know

773
00:34:30,150 --> 00:34:27,340
what you're doing yeah have you shown

774
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:30,160
James Cameron my audition the other

775
00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:33,130
problem is he's not very good oh yeah

776
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:35,500
he's the most wooden of them all

777
00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:37,540
it's like he's it's like he gives the

778
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:38,500
line really nice to everyone they're

779
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:39,730
like ah just do it like that but he's

780
00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:41,710
actually just a bad actor that's why he

781
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:43,390
directs actors in that way he's like he

782
00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:44,260
doesn't want anyone to give a better

783
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,670
performance than him yeah the big thing

784
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:51,280
is when he when we realized that he is

785
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:53,650
the person who killed killed his wife if

786
00:34:58,860 --> 00:34:57,250
Mel Gibson's wife is he not yeah it was

787
00:35:01,050 --> 00:34:58,870
an accident but I mean was there no

788
00:35:02,850 --> 00:35:01,060
repercussions that I know he feels that

789
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:02,860
inner guilt but you know it seems like

790
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:04,840
he's just running around town getting

791
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:10,960
his groceries you know door yeah at

792
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,510
least get like his license suspended or

793
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:16,960
something yeah you do have to wonder

794
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:19,990
yeah if I like killed some guy's wife in

795
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:28,810
my town I would probably really well

796
00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:30,190
that's the other thing we find that

797
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:31,720
later in the movie has an apology he

798
00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:33,940
hasn't apologized he's been waiting to

799
00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:36,040
apologize all this time so yeah it's

800
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:37,120
just weird I just thought I would you

801
00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:38,800
know see you randomly and stare at you

802
00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:41,080
weirdly yeah and then I you know say

803
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:42,940
sorry and you'd be like cool I'm sorry

804
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:44,680
locking you in the bathroom no I you

805
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,440
killed my wife but then okay we should

806
00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:53,680
probably get into some of the themes of

807
00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:55,300
the movie and the way I want to go about

808
00:35:59,130 --> 00:35:57,670
that is by mentioning well first there's

809
00:36:00,690 --> 00:35:59,140
the conversation between Mel Gibson and

810
00:36:01,770 --> 00:36:00,700
Joaquin Phoenix where you know Mel

811
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:01,780
Cousins kind of talking about how he

812
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:03,310
lost his faith and saying like you know

813
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:05,290
there are people that see you know see

814
00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:08,290
things and think they're lock these and

815
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:10,540
other see signs some people just see

816
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:11,200
coincidence

817
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,370
some people don't see signs and then

818
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,520
they kill somebody in their car there

819
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:17,820
was a speed limit sign right there

820
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:21,130
no but the then M night when M night

821
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:23,530
Shyamalan talks to Mel Gibson is like

822
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:26,110
I'm so sorry and and all that cuz he's

823
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:27,310
kind of called them to his house and

824
00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:30,760
then he says he's describing you know

825
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:32,590
he's on that road and there was no car

826
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:33,280
for miles

827
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,570
never fallen asleep before and it's like

828
00:36:41,070 --> 00:36:35,920
it's like it almost happened for a

829
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:41,080
reason yeah that's right in the face

830
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:45,670
yeah yes a temper why is it easy that's

831
00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:48,730
so insulting to say to someone yeah you

832
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:49,180
think

833
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:51,850
yeah no it's they keep saying like it

834
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:53,830
was meant to be like that's the phrase

835
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:56,410
that you say when you like fall in love

836
00:37:00,330 --> 00:36:58,570
with somebody yeah you know like I saw

837
00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:00,340
him from across the room and you know I

838
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:02,680
just knew it was meant to be I was meant

839
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:06,730
to kill his wife yeah most brutal

840
00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:11,230
gruesome way possible my god I feel like

841
00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:13,150
that's an interesting observation

842
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,620
because we often hear you know with

843
00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:16,720
religion and whatnot playing a big role

844
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:20,140
in this like oh it was you know it was

845
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:22,090
meant to be God wanted this to happen

846
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:26,140
and I often you know say to myself isn't

847
00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:28,030
that just an excuse for the way humans

848
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:29,800
behave is you're you're pinning the

849
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:33,490
blame on something else tragedy have

850
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:36,300
this are there always Clues given out

851
00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:44,350
before someone dies dog pees on the

852
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:47,020
floor yeah around then your wife's about

853
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:49,390
to divorce here so watch it I don't know

854
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:53,170
I just found that kind of insulting ya

855
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:54,850
know yeah it's pretty bad the other

856
00:37:59,780 --> 00:37:56,770
thing that I found insulting was that he

857
00:38:02,760 --> 00:37:59,790
just says oh and they don't like water

858
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:02,770
and I was like as a as a viewer I was

859
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:04,750
like well [\h__\h] like we could have kind

860
00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:06,070
of maybe figured that out later in the

861
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:07,960
movie without you saying it he also says

862
00:38:11,970 --> 00:38:10,030
he caught one in his pantry yeah yeah

863
00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:11,980
and then Mel Gibson goes and then you

864
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,980
know takes a look at it I kind of feel

865
00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:16,720
like the other things a great scene I

866
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:17,620
really like that scene

867
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:19,210
personally but like are people doing

868
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:21,310
this all over the work is it on the news

869
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:23,020
they never say like we caught one and

870
00:38:26,730 --> 00:38:24,130
here's what it looks like it's always

871
00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:26,740
just like shaky birthday party but like

872
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,630
this random veterinarian is able to

873
00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:30,640
capture one I don't know it just felt

874
00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:32,500
like almost like I wish they had had

875
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:37,350
just pantry you know that's the question

876
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:40,210
that's a good point to again like you

877
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,800
guys mentioned earlier these things

878
00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:44,560
whatever they are traveled how far to

879
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:46,520
get here they have the the

880
00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:48,920
telogen to do that to get here and then

881
00:38:52,090 --> 00:38:50,300
they're getting locked in a wooden

882
00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:52,100
pantry and they can't figure a way out

883
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,120
yeah no they can't just they don't know

884
00:39:00,400 --> 00:38:58,640
that this one thing on earth supposedly

885
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:00,410
is there their weakness which again

886
00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:06,560
we'll get to but um these aliens are why

887
00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:08,030
did they pick this planet if like you

888
00:39:17,110 --> 00:39:10,520
said 75% of this planet is what could

889
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:17,120
feasibly kill managers or of the world's

890
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:25,010
like and the other thing you know at the

891
00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:26,390
end of the movie they shut themselves in

892
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:27,950
and are the aliens are trying to attack

893
00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:30,170
their house what's what it's the aliens

894
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:32,270
plan they're just like they're going

895
00:39:36,850 --> 00:39:34,340
house to house and I think it's spooky

896
00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:36,860
like everybody to steal the souls of

897
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:41,960
asthmatic children one scene look I

898
00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:43,610
don't want to be a bother but our ship

899
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:46,070
is powered by the asthmatic gasps of

900
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:53,360
small children the other thing like

901
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:55,310
because I really like this movie when I

902
00:40:00,280 --> 00:39:57,770
was younger like I said but I feel like

903
00:40:01,780 --> 00:40:00,290
a lot of people were turned off a lot of

904
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,790
people that weren't religious were

905
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:03,440
turned off by what they thought was very

906
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:05,540
kind of preachy I was a religious man

907
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:08,450
and I always saw it I kind of dug it

908
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:11,260
because I saw it almost more as a

909
00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:13,810
metaphor it was almost more about like

910
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:16,790
believing in yourself or not don't not

911
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:20,030
like torpedoing your whole life and your

912
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:22,370
path just because you know tragedy

913
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,170
befalls you and just the idea of a

914
00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:26,480
priest losing faith is kind of like a

915
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:30,140
very extreme version of that story yeah

916
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,910
so I kind of connected to that but

917
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:33,680
watching it now like with the thing you

918
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:35,120
know saying like oh it was meant to be

919
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,820
and and all that and then again Mel

920
00:40:42,430 --> 00:40:39,680
Gibson says like someone did save us or

921
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,440
something like it felt more preachy to

922
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:44,480
me now that did then well and that's

923
00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:45,770
what happens when you have like a theme

924
00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:47,600
that you're that you're setting up and

925
00:40:50,170 --> 00:40:49,070
you're really strong arming it and you

926
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:50,180
want everyone know what your theme is

927
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,380
like the best baseball player yeah well

928
00:41:00,620 --> 00:40:59,040
yeah because like other movies have

929
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,630
themes and then we can pick them apart

930
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:02,640
on podcast like this and it's really fun

931
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:04,440
to like get into the nitty-gritty on

932
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:06,630
that but this there's no there's no

933
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:08,370
wiggle room for people to kind of talk

934
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:10,140
about the theme and be like maybe it

935
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:11,850
meant this and maybe he saw signs here

936
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:14,250
no right it's called signs and he says

937
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:16,890
some people look for signs and the other

938
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:19,230
thing is that like the kind of problem

939
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:20,580
with all of them night sham lands movies

940
00:41:24,590 --> 00:41:22,080
which I think we've talked about is that

941
00:41:27,590 --> 00:41:24,600
like yeah they sort of rely on like this

942
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:27,600
on these writing tricks right but I mean

943
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:29,790
they're just kind of like it's just

944
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:31,320
they're just sort of tricks you know

945
00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:32,910
when once you sort of like see the

946
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:35,580
mechanism and like it's easy for M night

947
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:37,980
Shyamalan as an author to like write in

948
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,750
all these coincidences at the beginning

949
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:41,760
and then sort of fill them out at the

950
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:44,250
end but in a fiction film like that

951
00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:45,870
doesn't seem like a miracle that just

952
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:48,120
seems like oh he like made a very easy

953
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:51,000
connection yeah not even cleverness well

954
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:53,190
I think that that there was a twist in

955
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:54,450
unbreakable and there was a twist in

956
00:41:59,060 --> 00:41:56,760
success I don't know if I'd call this a

957
00:42:01,220 --> 00:41:59,070
twist I think that's what kind of really

958
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:01,230
people hated from this movie too was

959
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:03,090
because they went to see a big twist at

960
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:04,500
the end and this was just kind of like

961
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:06,330
all these things are coming together and

962
00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:07,320
now you understand what we've been

963
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,700
saying the entire movie should we get

964
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:10,440
into the ending then yeah the end

965
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:11,670
because after they barricade themselves

966
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:13,950
in and it seems like the aliens have

967
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:14,460
left

968
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:16,020
yeah the aliens just sort of like leave

969
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:18,030
on their own accord around the world

970
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:25,230
yeah but they leave someone behind kokin

971
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:27,150
people are that the wounded have been

972
00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:28,950
left behind yeah and so there's still

973
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:30,840
like attacking and at one point like

974
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,060
they're still rating pantry's which was

975
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:36,180
the main objective pantry we don't want

976
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:40,380
you anymore well so they yeah they least

977
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:42,210
like spend the night in it barricaded

978
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:44,670
and like Mel Gibson has is like crisis

979
00:42:52,830 --> 00:42:46,680
of faith maybe we should like play a

980
00:43:00,910 --> 00:42:57,880
okay in case stay with me I know it

981
00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:00,920
hurts be strong baby it'll pass

982
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:22,370
[Music]

983
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:25,930
don't do this to me again

984
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:27,880
yes

985
00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:38,550
[Music]

986
00:43:45,310 --> 00:43:41,120
it's like you know some powerful Mel

987
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:45,320
Gibson e acting yeah yeah yeah I mean

988
00:43:49,540 --> 00:43:46,730
it's you know it's hard to like

989
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:49,550
sympathize with him but yeah well as an

990
00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:52,250
actor for sure this character I don't

991
00:43:54,850 --> 00:43:53,900
know I think it's kind of easy for me it

992
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:54,860
was easy to sympathize with this

993
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:56,270
character well know for sure like he's

994
00:44:00,760 --> 00:43:57,980
like trying to his kids having an asthma

995
00:44:02,350 --> 00:44:00,770
attack and he doesn't have the

996
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:02,360
medication and he can't go to get it

997
00:44:06,820 --> 00:44:04,730
because the aliens out there and so he's

998
00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:06,830
like holding his child to his chest and

999
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:08,870
trying to get him to relax well and and

1000
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:10,460
saying like please don't do this to me

1001
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:12,230
again like yeah that's that's that like

1002
00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:14,270
that's that thing where he starts to

1003
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:15,800
believe again right then and there

1004
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:17,870
because he's he thought he was at rock

1005
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:19,850
bottom but this is worse and I think

1006
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:21,500
that's what people do with religion they

1007
00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:23,150
turn to it when they're when they're not

1008
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:26,030
feeling great and so it's I think it's

1009
00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:27,950
it's that it's that moment that I think

1010
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:29,900
is so beautiful in the film when he

1011
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:33,110
hates God but because he hates God he

1012
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,850
believes in him and so there's this kind

1013
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:37,040
of like thing where he believes again

1014
00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:39,650
but also he hates that he believes again

1015
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:41,240
at the same time and I think that's a

1016
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:42,230
really beautiful moment

1017
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:44,210
yeah um but then until they survive the

1018
00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:45,710
night and they go out and the alien is

1019
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:47,960
still around or he actually like sees

1020
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:49,460
the reflection in the dailies just

1021
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:51,170
watching TV this one he's got to see

1022
00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:53,690
what's on yeah try to find his fingers

1023
00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:56,660
and he like so he like picks up the

1024
00:45:01,240 --> 00:44:59,630
alien picks up Rory Culkin and is like

1025
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:01,250
holding him like he's about to take his

1026
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:03,670
bride over the threshold or something I

1027
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:05,720
kind of like kinda like though he's

1028
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,890
holding because it's reminiscent of

1029
00:45:10,810 --> 00:45:09,200
every alien abduction ever where people

1030
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:10,820
are pulled up by their chests and their

1031
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:12,200
arms and legs are kind of splayed out to

1032
00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:13,640
the side I thought that was kind of like

1033
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:15,560
a cool image but he's also the alien is

1034
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:17,150
also like you know like sort of like

1035
00:45:26,590 --> 00:45:24,770
rhythmically sort of like movie we're

1036
00:45:29,590 --> 00:45:26,600
just gonna add guys that's this is the

1037
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:29,600
part where I think the movie plaintiff

1038
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:32,990
really let everyone down because it was

1039
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:36,440
all CGI and up to this point you know he

1040
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:38,690
was pretty ambiguous with these aliens

1041
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:40,850
he like we will never truly see them we

1042
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:43,660
see them in a small home video

1043
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,510
which was terrifying in my eyes right

1044
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:48,880
yeah exactly but this is another case

1045
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:51,550
with you know many films where they're

1046
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:54,460
showing so much at the end that like

1047
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:55,390
there's nothing left to the imagination

1048
00:46:00,600 --> 00:45:58,390
at that point yeah tries like he tries

1049
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:00,610
to see the alien through this television

1050
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:02,350
screen which really dims the alien he

1051
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:03,850
tries to backlight the alien so we don't

1052
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:05,290
see too much definition like I feel like

1053
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:07,960
he tries as a director to hide as much

1054
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:09,550
as he can but still show the whole thing

1055
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:11,530
which yeah it's hard but there's so many

1056
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:14,320
great scenes earlier where we just get

1057
00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:17,020
those glimpses like the the home video

1058
00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:19,060
in Brazil and like when he's out in the

1059
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:21,820
cornfield he just sees the leg yeah it

1060
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:23,770
just kind of disappeared and I come to I

1061
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:25,810
and also the pantry scene I remembered

1062
00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:28,360
them all being like big jump scares but

1063
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:30,040
there's no there's no sound companying

1064
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,720
them they're just but yeah you know I

1065
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:33,280
think people in the theater when I saw

1066
00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:35,140
it were you know reacting as if there

1067
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:37,960
was noise yeah

1068
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:39,460
they paid people to sit in the theater

1069
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:44,530
and go yeah but they're like I think

1070
00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:46,780
like the twist if there's a twist

1071
00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:48,580
is that like you know all of the like

1072
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,820
coincidences are all like the you know

1073
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:54,160
little minutiae of like the movie like

1074
00:46:57,660 --> 00:46:55,720
yeah he's a baseball player

1075
00:47:00,270 --> 00:46:57,670
yeah these the kid leaves the water

1076
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:00,280
around and it's all to come down to this

1077
00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:04,300
moment where he remembers the last line

1078
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:06,100
that his wife says and there's like a

1079
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:08,470
flashback to well the alien is like

1080
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:21,000
and then he puts together his wife's

1081
00:47:26,310 --> 00:47:24,130
dying words were to tell him hey tell

1082
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:26,320
Joaquin Phoenix to beat that [\h__\h]

1083
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:28,270
alien to death with a baseball bat you

1084
00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:30,670
know Rob Rob he was she was vaguer than

1085
00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:33,340
that she actually just said swing away

1086
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:35,080
which was confusing for a while because

1087
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:40,240
it had no specifics see see swing away

1088
00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:41,410
man why didn't you say something about

1089
00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:43,390
the aliens I told Meryl to sign up for

1090
00:47:47,830 --> 00:47:45,140
swing dance lessons

1091
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:47,840
he's swinging away down there being said

1092
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:48,950
in her backyard that it won't let him

1093
00:47:53,530 --> 00:47:51,650
off it's horrible no but it's just I

1094
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:53,540
don't actually I I still think the

1095
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:55,430
moment kind of works just because the

1096
00:47:59,170 --> 00:47:57,170
formal elements of it is so great the

1097
00:48:00,670 --> 00:47:59,180
music's so great the way it's edited the

1098
00:48:01,930 --> 00:48:00,680
directions so it makes it feel like

1099
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:01,940
something is yeah it makes it feel like

1100
00:48:04,570 --> 00:48:03,380
something huge is happening I didn't I

1101
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:04,580
were to go shot that goes right up to

1102
00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:06,110
his face I can you scream closer yeah

1103
00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:11,300
like I am too close to I think my

1104
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:12,980
favorite line in this whole movie where

1105
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:16,070
you really get your heart pulled is when

1106
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:18,680
Mel Gibson says to the sheriff you know

1107
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:20,630
is this the last time I'm ever gonna

1108
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:22,970
speak to my wife in that moment alone

1109
00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:26,350
just got me so much and she says yes

1110
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:29,270
yeah imagine being in issues at that

1111
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:30,920
point of course that would lose my faith

1112
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:33,260
after that but yeah this whole flashback

1113
00:48:37,810 --> 00:48:35,150
scene was very interesting and then you

1114
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:37,820
get the whole swing away aspect you know

1115
00:48:43,060 --> 00:48:40,220
supposedly in that moment of trauma to

1116
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:43,070
her and the neurons are you know firing

1117
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:45,080
in her brain and she thinks she's at one

1118
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:56,560
of Maryland Baltimore and gods like hey

1119
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,930
I like the thing gonna be sending aliens

1120
00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:01,760
to earth and one of them is gonna get

1121
00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:04,070
like real close to kill your kids you

1122
00:49:10,090 --> 00:49:08,120
better tell Mel Gibson yeah but I like

1123
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:10,100
the idea of the daughter because she

1124
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,810
never finishes water because she says

1125
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:13,280
it's contaminated so there are all these

1126
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:15,950
glasses of water in the room and that's

1127
00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:17,930
yeah like we find that the aliens

1128
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:19,820
weakness that they're able to use I like

1129
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:20,450
that

1130
00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:21,950
yeah but the swing-away thing just

1131
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:23,990
seemed weird because it's like it almost

1132
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:25,670
feels like they shouldn't even need a

1133
00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:27,770
clue to be like hey grab a baseball bat

1134
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:30,260
and beat the [\h__\h] out of this thing why

1135
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:33,020
do they need a hint use anything use

1136
00:49:35,950 --> 00:49:34,730
your fists for Christ's sakes say oh I

1137
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:35,960
wish she hadn't have said that cuz we

1138
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:38,020
had a gun upstairs we could have gotten

1139
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:40,220
wasn't thing about swinging away I could

1140
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:42,140
have gotten the shotgun from the bedroom

1141
00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:43,460
yeah there was five minutes while I was

1142
00:49:48,190 --> 00:49:45,860
just standing there to do that my

1143
00:49:50,290 --> 00:49:48,200
question is if like all of this like

1144
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:50,300
trauma and everything like if like his

1145
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,040
whole wife's like basic existence was

1146
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:55,040
just for this like moment I'm like what

1147
00:49:57,790 --> 00:49:56,090
the [\h__\h] gonna happen when they run

1148
00:49:59,800 --> 00:49:57,800
into problems after this movie

1149
00:50:04,330 --> 00:49:59,810
oh I remembered another thing my dead

1150
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:04,340
wife said she signs too it also sucks

1151
00:50:08,410 --> 00:50:05,900
for the wife there like this was God's

1152
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:08,420
design and I know maybe Mel Gibson could

1153
00:50:12,670 --> 00:50:09,800
have gotten hit by the car and she could

1154
00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:12,680
have told Meryl the swing-away or God he

1155
00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:13,880
could have been like aliens don't go to

1156
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,550
earth well I mean that's brought up a

1157
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:21,920
lot of questions for me like if this is

1158
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:24,530
indeed a movie where like God exists and

1159
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:27,290
God is doing all this for a reason he

1160
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:30,110
must have sent the aliens why that seems

1161
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:32,270
like a pretty dick move and all started

1162
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:38,830
or make that five girl's birthday party

1163
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:41,630
awesome okay well we couldn't afford a

1164
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:43,700
magician but look here's a

1165
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:47,570
seven-foot-tall lizard man I've got a

1166
00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:50,690
pretty I don't know if you guys will

1167
00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:52,520
entertain this I've got a pretty big

1168
00:51:03,640 --> 00:50:55,270
theory on why this all may have happened

1169
00:51:05,830 --> 00:51:03,650
okay because Mel Gibson was a [\h__\h] I

1170
00:51:07,090 --> 00:51:05,840
feel like Bo the little girl in this

1171
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:07,100
movie is probably my favorite character

1172
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:10,130
by far a lot of people have theorized

1173
00:51:14,110 --> 00:51:12,410
that she is even Mel Gibson says at one

1174
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:14,120
point you know when you were born

1175
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:16,070
everyone just said how much of an angel

1176
00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:17,960
you were and this and that and then

1177
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:19,790
she's got these water all over the place

1178
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:22,730
in the theories out there that she's

1179
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:25,670
almost this angelic figure and that

1180
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:28,850
these aliens are demonic in a sense and

1181
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:31,370
this is all a test of faith to see how

1182
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:36,290
humans would react by Satan there's yeah

1183
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:38,390
this was the first time I'd watched this

1184
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:40,730
movie since I'd read that theory too and

1185
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:44,510
it does factor into it in especially I

1186
00:51:47,830 --> 00:51:46,490
was noticing in the way everyone keeps

1187
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:47,840
talking about it like it's the end of

1188
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,240
the world which is a weird way to just

1189
00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:52,880
react to like lights in the sky mm-hmm

1190
00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:54,830
so I think that's definitely there yeah

1191
00:52:00,040 --> 00:51:57,230
well and part of it like even hearing

1192
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,050
them being like well we've three cities

1193
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:02,240
in like near Jerusalem figured it out

1194
00:52:10,109 --> 00:52:07,990
like do that child was born

1195
00:52:12,510 --> 00:52:10,119
yeah there's one big light in this guy

1196
00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:12,520
yeah it's one guy led the way but then

1197
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:14,680
we crucified him yeah Mel Gibson

1198
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:19,990
crucified well in a kind of and it kind

1199
00:52:23,849 --> 00:52:22,150
of speaks to like maybe they weren't

1200
00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:23,859
allergic to water come to this planet

1201
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,230
but they were to like holy water and if

1202
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:28,480
this young girl is an angel then she

1203
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:31,330
like already like sanctified this water

1204
00:52:35,099 --> 00:52:32,920
and so all this water was holy water

1205
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:35,109
they were splashing but emmalin says

1206
00:52:38,339 --> 00:52:36,609
that they don't like water

1207
00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:38,349
did he make holy water - he's just a

1208
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,630
vegetarian I don't know maybe we make

1209
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:41,680
sure they're dogs

1210
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:43,450
he had like holy water thing in his

1211
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:44,770
pantry yeah yeah that'll come in handy

1212
00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:50,880
I think the weird thing about like

1213
00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:52,540
having like a faith-based sort of

1214
00:52:57,089 --> 00:52:55,180
message in this other than Mel Gibson

1215
00:52:58,980 --> 00:52:57,099
being like kind of like a religious

1216
00:53:01,380 --> 00:52:58,990
zealot so it sort of feels uncomfortable

1217
00:53:03,450 --> 00:53:01,390
is that like by having M night Shyamalan

1218
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:03,460
in this movie and by having him plays

1219
00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:06,930
like such a integral role I mean

1220
00:53:12,359 --> 00:53:10,180
metaphysically he's God in this movie

1221
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:12,369
right definitely like because he had to

1222
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:13,570
kill that characters wife in order to

1223
00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:15,490
start the story yeah told them how to

1224
00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:17,080
get rid of the aliens so he knew

1225
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:18,280
something that no one else could

1226
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:19,900
possibly know and he wrote a scene where

1227
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:24,130
everyone's like it's him yeah he wanted

1228
00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:27,250
to feel important on set for a day and

1229
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:29,980
it's weird and I don't know just kind of

1230
00:53:34,829 --> 00:53:33,190
lame I think I don't know I think it's

1231
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:34,839
kind of fun that he puts himself into

1232
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,430
the movies like Hitchcock did with like

1233
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:37,839
it's called I kind of spot him things

1234
00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:45,640
yeah but if he could act yeah yeah

1235
00:53:49,170 --> 00:53:47,560
Hitchcock is a huge inspiration I mean

1236
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:49,180
that whole scene where the aliens are

1237
00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:51,490
invading the home is right out of birds

1238
00:53:58,140 --> 00:53:54,760
there's no denying that whatsoever and I

1239
00:54:00,329 --> 00:53:58,150
feel like yeah he goes that extra step

1240
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:00,339
where it just becomes annoying when he

1241
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,200
has more than a minute of dialogue in

1242
00:54:06,359 --> 00:54:04,720
his own movie whereas Hitchcock you know

1243
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:06,369
you just might see him in the background

1244
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:10,060
somewhere walking by or doing paper or

1245
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:11,710
something yeah the other thing occurred

1246
00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:13,450
to me I wanted to mention is speaking of

1247
00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:17,020
the birds it felt a lot like the short

1248
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:19,060
story of the birds which all takes place

1249
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:21,220
on a farm house and it's about a family

1250
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,690
no the way it almost feels like an

1251
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:24,160
alternative version of what the birds

1252
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:26,290
could have been that's cool that's a

1253
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,150
cool way to look at it yeah yeah I mean

1254
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:30,160
it also borrows a lot in non Hitchcock

1255
00:54:34,770 --> 00:54:32,230
from war of the world it's like there is

1256
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:34,780
so the original radio play nothing and

1257
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:36,190
not the original radio play because it's

1258
00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:37,900
from a book but the radio play version

1259
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:39,460
like oh that should have been the twist

1260
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:40,690
twist should have been like they were

1261
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:44,410
just watching a mockumentary on TV they

1262
00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:45,550
weren't paying enough attention to the

1263
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:49,030
commercial yes Media literacy folks like

1264
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,710
that part where they yeah they deliver

1265
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:52,960
like all of the news through I mean the

1266
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,090
news on TV like feels very much like

1267
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:57,040
like the radio program yeah yeah it's

1268
00:55:00,810 --> 00:54:59,170
good or also like there's like little

1269
00:55:02,070 --> 00:55:00,820
bits where they you know they're talking

1270
00:55:03,810 --> 00:55:02,080
like the people on the ground and

1271
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:03,820
they're just like regular people going

1272
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:05,050
about their lives and not knowing how to

1273
00:55:08,849 --> 00:55:07,180
like sort of like deal with this sort of

1274
00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:08,859
crisis and that's sort of like feels

1275
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:10,840
like I'm a microcosm of what's happening

1276
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,670
with Mel Gibson like his isn't the main

1277
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:15,280
story you know he doesn't kill all the

1278
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:17,650
aliens and stop the invasion like Will

1279
00:55:22,109 --> 00:55:20,050
Smith does right he's you know just like

1280
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:22,119
a small sort of like a Jason sort of

1281
00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:24,070
story which was really interesting we

1282
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,660
barely even see like the alien get

1283
00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:28,240
killed like yeah he kind of leaves the

1284
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:29,470
house with his kids and we see it

1285
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:33,670
through the window well we can't ever

1286
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:36,250
know but alien takes so many hits it's

1287
00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:47,790
area 51 yeah you don't know at that

1288
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:49,900
point it's like what where does earth go

1289
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:51,910
from here they were just invaded we have

1290
00:55:59,700 --> 00:55:54,119
an alien body like what do we do now

1291
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,710
mm-hmm yeah science - so do we want to

1292
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:01,359
go around and talk about if we thought

1293
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:04,420
this this movie was rewatchable Rob I'm

1294
00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:06,250
gonna be honest I did not love this

1295
00:56:11,579 --> 00:56:10,060
movie and I sort of feel like there are

1296
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:11,589
parts of it that I just don't want to

1297
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:13,810
like I don't want to like the theme of

1298
00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:15,910
like faith and I don't want to like Mel

1299
00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:17,980
Gibson and I don't want to like an M

1300
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:20,080
night Shyamalan movie for some reason so

1301
00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:22,330
it's kind of hard to get a reel out

1302
00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:27,460
going against ya and like so much of

1303
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:29,740
like the the acting is like wooden and

1304
00:56:33,870 --> 00:56:31,630
the script is like weird but at the same

1305
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:33,880
time like I feel like I should probably

1306
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:34,920
give it a

1307
00:56:39,019 --> 00:56:38,250
shot at some other time and maybe I

1308
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:39,029
might enjoy it

1309
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:42,450
at that point but I don't know I I was

1310
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:43,500
really on the fence I'm gonna say like

1311
00:56:47,509 --> 00:56:45,690
mildly rewatchable cuz I think there's a

1312
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:47,519
lot of really good stuff in here I think

1313
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,089
even Mel Gibson's pretty good but it's

1314
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:52,799
not I don't know it was kind of a chore

1315
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:56,130
to watch hmm what about you Jim that

1316
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:57,650
musics so good

1317
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:00,480
I think that was opening credits too

1318
00:57:04,339 --> 00:57:02,250
yeah just that little touch of piano and

1319
00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:04,349
yeah it's it's great music there are

1320
00:57:09,859 --> 00:57:07,230
some scenes I just think are fantastic

1321
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:09,869
like that scene where he's out in the

1322
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:12,900
cornfield and he sees the leg yeah I

1323
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,930
just thought we're so suspenseful and so

1324
00:57:20,839 --> 00:57:18,000
scary and and the restraint that they

1325
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:20,849
have by making them silence and I I

1326
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:23,369
don't know and if it it ended with you

1327
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:25,170
know without with just them in that

1328
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:27,089
basement or you know what have you I

1329
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:29,400
think it would be a better movie also

1330
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:33,839
Mel Gibson's hard to watch yeah I it's

1331
00:57:37,339 --> 00:57:35,400
hard I mean I feel like I can still

1332
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:37,349
watch Lethal Weapon cuz it's just like

1333
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:38,730
he just feels like Riggs

1334
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,490
watching a movie where I'm less I know

1335
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,440
the character less she feels like it's

1336
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:45,359
just that guy I don't like yeah and now

1337
00:57:55,970 --> 00:57:48,390
he's in movies again and this it's weird

1338
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,980
I hope he's not listening no no I don't

1339
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:58,799
know so it's it's it's a lot of

1340
00:58:04,849 --> 00:58:01,500
contradictions watching this movie and I

1341
00:58:08,029 --> 00:58:04,859
do feel like I you know I think like you

1342
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:08,039
know UFO culture like a part of me like

1343
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:10,200
I love stories even though I'm not

1344
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:12,690
religious I do love stories of religion

1345
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:14,220
if I don't feel like they are being

1346
00:58:19,249 --> 00:58:16,500
preachy like yeah you know it was not

1347
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:19,259
like God is not dead or was not like

1348
00:58:26,509 --> 00:58:20,910
trying to preach to me directly like

1349
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:26,519
even the setup in her ways Jeff Kevin

1350
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,680
Sorbo that I was gonna just say like the

1351
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:30,960
the kind of setup of this movie I feel

1352
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:34,740
like has been really adopted by like

1353
00:58:40,220 --> 00:58:38,220
Christian film yeah like it at first The

1354
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:40,230
Exorcist did it shoot but it was it was

1355
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:42,089
like the guy's mom or something but the

1356
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:43,410
similar kind of thing like it like the

1357
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:45,059
Kevin Sorbo movie and that movie the

1358
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,940
shack that came out it's always like the

1359
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:48,720
guys got a

1360
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:51,510
kid or a dead wife and wife syndrome and

1361
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:53,849
he's becoming an atheist and it's where

1362
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:55,140
did the name - very religious movie The

1363
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:56,700
Shack because that's like a horror movie

1364
00:59:01,339 --> 00:58:59,160
title like a porn just feel something

1365
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:01,349
it's not a religious movie that is the

1366
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:03,260
least of that movies problems by the way

1367
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:05,670
no I don't know like I didn't feel like

1368
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:07,020
it was always that preacher I do like

1369
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:08,670
movies that are kind of you know the

1370
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,980
play with the mythology of religion or

1371
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:12,720
you know the message of religion even

1372
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:14,520
though I'm not necessarily religious so

1373
00:59:17,420 --> 00:59:16,290
I didn't but even like the ending where

1374
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:17,430
he's like I would have liked the

1375
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:18,990
ambiguous ending where we don't totally

1376
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:20,970
know we're left with this character

1377
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:22,980
spirituality but no he's gonna find his

1378
00:59:27,050 --> 00:59:24,690
faith at the end they always do yeah but

1379
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:27,060
literally my last shot of the movie is

1380
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:29,369
him trying on his priest outfit yeah

1381
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:31,410
that was just a little little men going

1382
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:34,410
gay Church would you like to learn more

1383
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:43,380
about God calm I'd say mildly

1384
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,480
rewatchable I still think it's it's got

1385
00:59:50,330 --> 00:59:48,240
enough really good scenes housed inside

1386
00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:50,340
of a movie that's off and on for me

1387
00:59:55,099 --> 00:59:53,430
anyway you blame I love this movie I

1388
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:55,109
really think it's a great movie I think

1389
00:59:59,150 --> 00:59:56,940
the direction is amazing

1390
01:00:03,560 --> 00:59:59,160
not of the actors but of the camera tak

1391
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:03,570
Fujimoto was the DOP and he's amazing in

1392
01:00:08,570 --> 01:00:06,570
this movie and and I think the the

1393
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:08,580
acting is wooden but it's not as wooden

1394
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:11,880
as like all his other movies from here

1395
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:14,010
on it we're like the Airbender was just

1396
01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:16,530
just cardboard cutouts people mouthing

1397
01:00:19,579 --> 01:00:18,300
words yeah when they ran out of planks

1398
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:19,589
of wood to barricade the house they

1399
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:20,700
should have been like can we use the

1400
01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:27,510
wooden acting but I love the story I

1401
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:29,070
think I think it really does come

1402
01:00:31,550 --> 01:00:30,240
together in the end and I think people

1403
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:31,560
were disappointed because it wasn't

1404
01:00:36,829 --> 01:00:33,660
quite a twist and it wasn't but it was

1405
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:36,839
also too heavy-handed to be like not a

1406
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:38,970
twist so it just kind of fell in this

1407
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:41,490
weird area which I forgive him for and

1408
01:00:50,839 --> 01:00:47,369
and didn't love him I do what about you

1409
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:50,849
right oh yeah I I would have to agree I

1410
01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:52,980
I definitely think it's rewatchable I

1411
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:55,080
love the score there's some wonderful

1412
01:00:59,960 --> 01:00:57,480
vignettes like you said the leg leaving

1413
01:01:01,799 --> 01:00:59,970
the cornfield and they the fingers under

1414
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:01,809
the eye I think there's some amazed

1415
01:01:06,329 --> 01:01:03,729
images in this movie no in terms of like

1416
01:01:08,219 --> 01:01:06,339
the overall message I do struggle with

1417
01:01:11,309 --> 01:01:08,229
that and I struggle all the time with

1418
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,319
just this whole UFO thing you know what

1419
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:14,079
I what I believe versus what the

1420
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:15,910
hundreds of people are telling me on a

1421
01:01:20,849 --> 01:01:18,609
day-to-day basis that they're seeing so

1422
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:20,859
I think this was the movie where M night

1423
01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:25,119
really started to try something new but

1424
01:01:28,650 --> 01:01:27,160
at the same time I struggle with that

1425
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:28,660
third act where it's all kind of

1426
01:01:33,689 --> 01:01:30,059
spoon-fed to us

1427
01:01:35,249 --> 01:01:33,699
I don't know I don't know if if I like

1428
01:01:37,049 --> 01:01:35,259
the message the movie was trying to

1429
01:01:42,049 --> 01:01:37,059
convey but I certainly liked the whole

1430
01:01:44,759 --> 01:01:42,059
alien aspect so yeah it's real

1431
01:01:46,439 --> 01:01:44,769
well thanks Ryan so much for coming on

1432
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,449
the show yeah thanks Ryan thank you

1433
01:01:50,249 --> 01:01:48,400
again guys I mean I've been listening

1434
01:01:51,569 --> 01:01:50,259
forever and it was an honor to finally

1435
01:01:55,259 --> 01:01:51,579
come on and of course it would be an

1436
01:02:00,689 --> 01:01:55,269
alien movie yeah yeah but we did fire in

1437
01:02:02,279 --> 01:02:00,699
the sky and we I've met Travis Walton on

1438
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:02,289
several occasions and I'll tell you

1439
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:04,390
right now if there's any alien abduction

1440
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,089
case I genuinely believe that would be

1441
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:08,640
the one and I would stake my

1442
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:11,890
quote/unquote UFO career on that the

1443
01:02:17,249 --> 01:02:16,089
movies convincing so thank you very much

1444
01:02:20,669 --> 01:02:17,259
coming on where can they find your

1445
01:02:22,769 --> 01:02:20,679
podcasts all my episodes bonus material

1446
01:02:25,469 --> 01:02:22,779
all that can be found somewhere in the

1447
01:02:27,569 --> 01:02:25,479
skies calm okay great thanks so much and

1448
01:02:30,479 --> 01:02:27,579
you can find us a tree watchability calm

1449
01:02:32,819 --> 01:02:30,489
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01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:32,829
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01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:34,660
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1452
01:02:40,620 --> 01:02:37,630
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01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:40,630
to Facebook and Twitter to talk to us

1454
01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:42,130
yeah I just want to clarify we don't

1455
01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:48,369
want actual bones no no no okay that

1456
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:49,420
would have worked if this was a dog

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01:03:30,250 --> 01:02:51,730
movie

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:30,260
[Music]

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01:03:34,359 --> 01:03:32,210
[Applause]

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01:03:36,130 --> 01:03:34,369
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01:03:38,049 --> 01:03:36,140
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01:03:39,849 --> 01:03:38,059
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